The Old
          High Churchmen –
A Saintly
            Bishop –
A Modern
            Miracle –
Laying
            the Foundations of Goodness
 
       
          Bishop Matthew Hale was at the head of the Church of
          England in Queensland in the early 1880s, having succeeded
          Bishop Tufnell, who was before my time.
       
          Bishop Hale was a homely but scholarly man, came of a
          very distinguished family, and was generally acceptable in the
          diocese, which was Low Church.
       
          At St. John’s and at All Saints’, and particularly at
          the last mentioned, the inclination was towards High Church.
       
          The Rev. John Sutton, B.A., had brought with him from
          Oxford to St. John’s, what was known as the Catholic spirit,
          and the Rev. C. G. Robinson, M.A., at All Saints’, had rather
          an elaborate ritual.
       
          Mr. Sutton’s churchwardens were Messrs. H. P. Abbott,
          manager of the Australian Joint Stock Bank, Mr. John
          Hardgrave, and Mr. Reginald S. Hurd.
       
          Mr. Abbott was keenly opposed to anything High in the
          ritual, but the others were inclined to go with the Rector,
          though Mr. Hardcastle was strongly Protestant.
       
          At All Saints, with Mr. R. D. Neilson, Mr. J. R.
          Dickson (later Sir James Dickson), and Mr. Henry Donkin, Mr.
          Robinson was generously supported. Bishop Hale was really an
          Evangelical, and without doubt the two principal city Churches
          were in a sense, rather a trial to him. The services, however,
          were quite mild compared with the Church of England services
          as we know them today; and it may be remarked that during
          1916-17 I attended many of the beautiful services at St.
          Paul’s and Westminster Abbey, and on no occasion did I see a
          preacher enter the pulpit without turning to the East and
          making the Sign of the Cross.
       
          When Bishop Webber came in succession to Bishop Hale,
          Brisbane got its first taste of what is termed High Church in
          Britain. Bishop Hale was extremely popular with the
          Evangelical bodies in Brisbane, and was regarded as a pillar
          of Protestantism, with a happy disregard of the fact that the
          Church of England has always asserted its original
          Catholicism, and, indeed, in the Apostles’ Creed it designates
          itself “The Holy Catholic Church,”
       
          However, spare my days, as our friends Mr. Dennis would
          say, I do not wish to get on to a Church controversy, and Mrs.
          Hale was a very gracious lady. She was a daughter of Colonel
          Molloy, of the Rifle Brigade, and a sister of Lady Du Cane,
          the wife of Colonel Sir E. F. Du Cane, R.E.
       
          At St. John’s occasionally we had Archdeacon Jones, of
          Toowoomba, later known as Canon Jones of Indooroopilly, and
          who had been at All Saints’ prior to the coming of Mr.
          Robinson. He was better known, and affectionately known as
          “Tommy” Jones. A better man and a stauncher Christian I have
          never known – good, warm hearted, tolerant, and cheery “Tommy”
          Jones.
       
          Of course, he was not called by the familiar name when
          he was present, because he had a quiet dignity which forbade
          any semblance of disrespect. 
And at St.
          John’s also was Parson Eglinton, a tall, frail looking,
          scholarly man of abounding energy. With him I used sometimes
          read English literature and logic. He had two sons, One Ernest
          Eglinton, was well known as an Inspector in the Native Police,
          and afterwards Police Magistrate in Brisbane and elsewhere. He
          was at Winton in 1894 during the big  shearing strike of that year, and when I
          was the “Courier’s” special correspondent on the scene.
Another son
          is Mr. Dudley Eglinton, an English University man, who came
          here when young, and used to read the lessons in various
          churches. Dudley Eglinton was for many years secretary of the
          Brisbane School of Arts, and is well known as an astronomer,
          and a writer to the “Courier” and “Queenslander” on scientific
          subjects.
Alas! the
          almanac says that he is not so young as in the early 1880s,
          but I love to remember him as a lithe, athletic young fellow,
          chivalrous, keen to protect his honour, sans peur et sans
          reproche. On an occasion he sought out a 13st gossip bearer
          and gave him what I (in far off days, of course), described as
          a dem good whipping. And Dudley Eglinton has Digger sons, one
          of whom, following his grandfather’s footsteps, is a parson of
          the Church of England. A daughter of the first Parson Eglinton
          of my days is the widow of my dear old friend George Essex
          Evans, who first became known to us all as a poet under the
          name “Christophus” in the “Queenslander.”
It is nice
          to be able to speak of a priest of the Church of England as a
          parson. It has a good, old fashioned sound. At Oxley we had a
          typical parson of the old Australian school, the Rev. J. S.
          Hassall, the father of Charley Hassall, well known in
          Queensland as the doyen of insurance managers. Parson Hassall
          was an old King’s School boy at Parramatta, and has written a
          most interesting book of his school days and of his beginnings
          in the Church. In his day – and in the day of my father also
          –the cost of educating a boy at King’s School was £28 a year –
          board, lodging, and everything else included. Oh, no, butter
          was not included. It was not an extra, but those who wanted
          butter instead of the wholesome dripping had to buy it, or get
          it sent from home. Then there was the Rev. Robert Creyke, at
          Cleveland, a tall, grey man as I knew him, and a good worker
          for the poor. His widow lived for many years doing God’s work
          at Cleveland; and old hands will never forget the
          thoughtfulness of the “Digger” parson Maxwell, who, with his
          parishioners, saw to it that she was not forgotten in the
          Memorial Church at Cleveland.
At St.
          Thomas’s, in South Brisbane, we had the Rev. E. Meeres, a fine
          scholar, and a great worker. He married the sister of our old
          friend, “Charley” Miles, who was a Treasury official in
          Brisbane for over a score of years, and who gave the Empire
          some fine sailor and soldier lads. St. Thomas’s was a little
          brick church on the southwestern corner of Stanley and
          Melbourne Streets, and people had to go down steps to get to
          it, for the street level was made several feet above the level  on which the old
          people of the Church of England had pitched their tabernacle.
       
          Later the church building was sold, and became a soft
          drink factory. 
       
          At St. Mary’s, Kangaroo Point, we had the Rev. D. A.
          Court, a devoted worker, and a most kindly man; and at Trinity
          Church, in the Valley, was that robust Christian, generous and
          warm hearted, the Rev. Herbert Guiness. Mr. Guiness was an
          Irishman with the strong Protestant and Low Church leaning,
          and yet he was a great chum of Sutton and Jones. He had
          succeeded Mr. Love, whose death at a comparatively early age
          took from the Church one of its real stalwarts.
       
          In the country I had a good many parson friends, and
          not one more affectionate, more broad minded, more devoted, or
          more cultured than Canon Matthews, who was at Warwick, and
          afterwards at Sandgate. His son, E. H. or “Ted,” Matthews,
          was, until lately, manager in Queensland of the National Bank
          of Australasia, and is now manager for New South Wales.
          Another son was George, who was in the Government service; and
          another was “Gar,” a surveyor, who did a lot of work up in New
          Guinea.
       
          We had the Rev. W. Locke at Sandgate, a very fine
          musician. I had known him when I was a youngster, and he was
          the rector at Corowa, in Riverina. 
And we had
          a good, old fashioned little chap, the Rev. J. Gilbertson, at
          Beenleigh, and the Rev. J. W. Henry at Gympie. Mr. Henry’s
          elder son, who did great work at Roma and elsewhere in the
          Church, died all too soon, and another parson son, the Rev.
          Herbert Henry, had his first job after leaving school as a
          reporter on the “Courier.”
IN 1881, we
          played cricket at Redcliffe on Sundays, and matches, too. The
          remembrance was spurred by the decisions of the Municipal
          Councils to allow sports in the Brisbane parks on Sundays. I
          have played at Redcliffe with the Rev. J. Sutton as umpire at
          one end, and the Rev. T. Jones at the other. The parsons had
          no objection to spending the afternoon in that way, but – and
          the but is an important one – every player had to have been to
          a Church service in the forenoon. There was no relaxation of
          that rule, except in the case of Roman Catholics, who had no
          resident padre, but they had to have been to their duties and
          to mass once a month, when the priest made his visit. May I
          commend the idea to the people of today? I will undertake no
          say that not one of us at Redcliffe broke faith with the
          parsons who joined us in an afterwards of healthful
          recreation. We either went to the Church of England service
          where Hurley House was built a year or two later, or to the
          little Congregational Church back on the Woody Point road,
          where that good man and true, Ibbotson Tubbs, in the absence
          of the minister, conducted the worship, which included an
          address, and the Roman Catholics had their own chapel.
Running
          over the list of the Roman Catholic bishops and priests who
          were here in the 1880s. I find that already I have dealt with
          most of them. Bishop O’Quinn was succeeded by Bishop Dunne,
          whose name was household word on the Darling Downs. He was not
          of the merry type, rather was he inclined to asceticism, but
          he recognised that human kind and especially young kind was to
          an extent pleasure loving, and in harmless pleasure he would
          often join. Frankly, I may say that I never a more saintly
          man. He was sort of Brother Hilarius, and he was as well loved
          out of the Roman Catholic community as in it. Like Archbishop
          Duhig, that great prelate and great statesmen of whom all
          Queenslanders are so justly proud, he keenly opposed to the
          drift from the land to the towns. He knew the stability, the
          greatness of heart, and the goodness in body and soul of the
          men and women of the land. Queenslanders will always
          affectionately remember Bishop Dunne. The world was the
          sweeter for his presence in it, and his memory will be with us
          for generations,
My very
          dear old friend, Dr. Cani, afterwards Bishop of Rockhampton,
          was described in the Cooktown series of these memories. He was
          down in Brisbane in about 1882, and his place at Cooktown was
          taken by Father Paul Fortini. We had a good many Italians in
          Queensland even in those days, and quaint Father Canali.
          Father Scortechini was down on the Logan, and Father Rossolini
          at Bundaberg These were all highly cultured men.
The Horan
          brothers were all very popular priests, and very fine men, but
          personally I knew only one. Father A. Horan, of Ipswich, a
          splendid man and a loveable priest. I also knew Father Walsh
          at Gatton, a good citizen, a model “guide, mentor, and
          friend,” who liked an hour occasionally with quail, and who
          shot – and a pretty good shot he was – over quite a well
          trained pointer.
Lately I
          saw Father Walsh in Brisbane, and we had our little talk over
          the old days.
Two
          priests, however, I knew even better, Monsignor Dennis Fouhy,
          of Toowoomba, and Father Phillip Corrigan, whose most
          excellent picture appeared in the “Courier” some time ago.
          Father Fouhy of those days was Administrator of St. Stephen’s
          Cathedral, and very often I had to see him on Press business.
          He was very kind and helpful, and would dictate an account of
          a service which would be taken down in shorthand and published
          in the “Courier” without the alteration of a word. And Father
          Fouhy knew what space the event would be given. I have never
          met a man who could dictate a report so well, not even a
          politician with a carefully thought out impromptu. The
          Administrator was generally regarded as austere, but Pressmen
          never had a kinder friend, and if it is not too late –after
          all, it’s only 42 years ago – I would like to move a vote of
          thanks to monsignor Fouhy. Father Corrigan rode a very
          handsome chestnut horse when I first knew him. He was a very
          smart looking young priest, and a tiptop horseman. Later I met
          him at Charleville, when he was a peacemaker in the days of
          the Shearers’ Strike of 1891, and later again up in the
          Burnett, when I was reporting on Delgilbo, Ideraway, and the
          Binjour Plateau Lands, which were afterwards opened up for
          selection. Father Corrigan had a great admirer out at
          Charleville – no less than the head there of the Salvation
          Army.
We had some
          very fine and distinguished men of the Presbyterian ministry.
          A moment ago I was inclined to say that the Irish Roman
          Catholics did not seem to quite regard the Italian priests
          with the same fervour as Irish priests. I had a friend here
          once, a Jesuit of a very distinguished family, and quite of
          the higher type of Englishman. He had an idea that the people
          did not love him, and said, “They miss the brogue!”
Now, the
          old time Presbyterians loved the Scottish burr, and some of
          them never quite got over their prejudice in favour of the men
          who were the more obviously from the Land o’ Cakes. The Rev.
          Colin McCulloch was in charge of the Wickham Terrace Church,
          near All Saints’, and the Scots built there a very fine brick
          church, which is now in the hands of the Railway Department
          and used for office purposes. Mr. McCulloch was flippantly
          described as “the Presbyterian Pope,” for there was a sort of
          recognition of his seniority. He was a tall, strong man with a
          white beard, and flowing mane of white, very intolerant of any
          evil, an outstanding and picturesque figure in our religious
          and general life.
I knew much
          better the Rev. J. Fleming McSwaine, who had the church in
          Creek Street when I came here. He was a distinguished looking
          man, and a great believer in church music – if it was good;
          and he was always well worth hearing. Occasionally he wrote to
          the “Courier,” beautiful English and a trenchant style; and I
          remember that Kinnaird Rose, who was editor of the “Courier”
          later on in the 1880s an Edinburgh University man, had a very
          great respect for him. 
Another
          picturesque figure was the Rev. Charles Ogg, of the Ann Street
          Church, who had done a great deal of pioneering work. He was a
          kindly soul, and I could never visualize him as an apostle of
          Damnation to Sinners, and as a fact, he was not. He believed
          in a rule of love. How do I know? Well, I heard him say so on
          the occasion of a rather warm debate in the General Assembly.
          He had a farm down towards the coast with a gate on a turn off
          from the Redcliffe Road, about a mile beyond Petrie, and he
          sometimes rode there, and on occasions we rode side by side.
          He was the only Presbyterian whom I have ever heard called
          parson – Parson Ogg. Like his brother minister McSwaine, he
          has left men and women of his name who have played their parts
          in building Queensland up as a decent, honour loving State.
          One may be excused for wondering what such men, the old time
          priests and parsons, would have thought of Golden Caskets and
          Liberty Fairs. I do know that they wrought generously with us
          all when we bundled “Tattersall” and his sweeps out of
          Queensland.
After these
          Presbyterians of the good old Scottish type, we had an
          American visitation, and then we developed – and what an acute
          change – into the class of Merrington at Creek Street, and
          Gillison at St. Paul’s. These two fine “diggers” were of the
          modern University  types.
          Merrington lately went off to New Zealand, leaving many
          grateful memories, and Gillison, ever brave and generous, did
          not survive Gallipoli. They were a splendid pair of great
          hearted Christians – and, for that matter, so were the older  regime., McCulloch,
          Ogg, and McSwaine. D. F. Mitchell was a tall, active Scot, not
          much of a preacher, but well loved over at the Park
          Presbyterian Church in South Brisbane, and a very familiar
          figure. On an occasion I heard the remark that he
          instinctively knew where there was want for sickness, and that
          he did not care a two penny – (something not at all clerical)
          whether they were Christians, Jews, pagans, or “Freethinkers.”
          The Freethinker was a terrible fellow in those days. I heard
          James McSharry out on the Townsville – Reid River railway
          works give a definition of a Freethinker. “He believes,” he
          said, “in free thought for himself, and for you also, provided
          that you think as he does.”
In the
          early 1880s we had two brands of Methodists – the Wesleyans
          and the Primitives. Later on they amalgamated and dropped the
          name of Wesley. Now, I don’t think that was nice – not that I
          know much about it – for John Wesley and his brother were the
          life and soul of the great broadening movement which caught
          and checked an unmistakable drift of English people to a sort
          of ignorant agnosticism. And I liked the amalgamation for it
          was a step towards the reunion of the Anglicans and the
          Methodists, a thing which would gladden the spirit of John
          Wesley, who ,despite all, ever loved his English Catholic
          Church. However, the ice is becoming thin. I’ll take off my
          skates. 
The first
          Wesleyan parson I knew here was the Rev. F. T. Brentnall,
          preacher and sturdy Christian, journalist and business man.
          Until his voice went he was a fine preacher, eloquent, and
          giving folk always something to take with them, something to
          think of. He kept going wonderfully until past 90, but:
We will
            not speak of years tonight;
For what
            have years to bring
But
            larger floods of love and light
And
            sweeter songs to sing?
Of Mr.
          Brentnall something was said in the chapters dealing with the
          journalists of the hard fighting days, when McIlwraith and
          Griffith filled the horizon. He was always a militant. That
          was because he felt deeply , but he was at the same time
          generous and a great winner of friends.
John D.
          Hennessey was another writing Methodist, but he struck out
          along the line of fiction. We have had a lot of them,
          including Dr. Ward, the doyen of Australian journalists, a
          former editor of the “Courier,” and who was once a Primitive
          Methodist minister in Brisbane; and C. E. James, who was
          minister at the Albert Street church, and a leader writer both
          for the “Courier,” “Observer,” and the “Queenslander.”
Then, on
          the Primitive Methodist side, there was the Rev. J. Buckle,
          one of whose sons became Shire Clerk of Toombul. Mr. Buckle
          was a sturdy Englishman, who had battled along as a religious
          worker in the Mother Country when “them Methodies” occupied a
          lower rung on the ladder of sectarian importance than they do
          today. Mr. Buckle was a great worker for the poor, and under
          his stern Puritanism there was a warm heart.
Later,
          there came Osborne Lilley, with the Primitives; but then the
          amalgamation wiped out the little differences, and, as the
          differences went, so did a lot of the ministers of the Gospel
          – shepherds following home their flocks.
A
          conspicuous figure in Queensland’s religious life for many
          years was the Rev. Edward Griffith, of whom it was written:
          “Our education system and social legislation bear the impress
          of his sagacious mind. He powerfully influenced for good two
          generations of men.” (E. J. T. Barton, in “Jubilee History of
          Queensland, 1909.”)
The Rev.
          Edward Griffith was somewhat overshadowed in the last 20 years
          of his active ministerial life in Brisbane by his illustrious
          son, Sir. S. W. Griffith, who later became the first Chief
          Justice of the High Court of the Commonwealth. But the
          minister of the Wharf Street Congregational Church was a
          personality when I came to Brisbane in 1881, and he certainly
          belonged to the Church Militant. He had then been at the Wharf
          Street Church for over 20 years, and though he did not aim at
          pulpit oratory he was a very good preacher. His work, however,
          was mainly amongst the people, and he was a good organiser of
          charitable work. He was tall, spare, and with a little beard,
          and it was unfortunate, though inevitable, that he should be
          pointed out and spoken of as “Sam. Griffith’s father.”
It must be
          almost as bad to be the father of an illustrious son as to be
          the husband of a fashionable wife. Yet Mr. Griffith, père, had
          his own niche. The word reminds me of a story about a parson
          of the Church of England, the good Parson Eliott, Queanbeyan,
          New South Wales, who led the Snowy River Boys in their
          recruiting march to Sydney during the war. Mr. Elliott held
          Sunday services for troops at the Molonglo Camp, Canberra,
          where I was stationed in return from overseas in 1918. On an
          occasion he said: “We each have a niche, and we fill it.” A
          young soldier was studying shorthand, and practised on the
          sermons. He used to read over his notes to me for a check.
          When he came to Mr. Elliott’s phrase as quoted, he gave it,
          :”We each have an itch, and we feel it!” However, that has
          nothing to do with the Rev. Edward Griffith. In 1881, Mr.
          Griffith was very closely associated with the “Evangelical
          Standard,” indeed he was credited with being the editor of it,
          while the manager was a bluff and energetic Englishman,
          Richard P. Adams.
In the
          “Evangelical Standard,” the little High  Church element of
          the Church of England was sometimes warmed up, and there was a
          holy horror of the Queensland Government of the day, because
          Perkins and Macrossan, who were members of it, were Roman
          Catholics. Political feeling at the time was keen, and there
          was in it all a substratum of sectarian feeling. To be sure,
          the “Evangelical Standard” was a battling Protestant paper,
          and it was only to be expected that it should, like all
          sectarian papers, run for those things which were the reasons
          for its existence. But Mr. Griffiths wrote some very able
          articles apart from politics and sectarianism, indeed it
          occurred to me that he wrote better than he spoke. He came
          here from Maitland, in New South Wales, where Sir Samuel and
          the Younger Edward Griffith were educated.
In 1889 the
          Rev E. Griffith resigned the pastorate of the Wharf Street
          Church. He was getting up in years, and his health was not
          good. Yet it was a great wrench leaving the flock he had
          ministered to for so many years, and it was a greater wrench
          still for the flock. He died on September 22, 1891. His elder
          son was Mr. Edward Griffiths, whom I first knew as general
          manager of the Royal Bank of Queensland, and who afterwards
          was in the Government service and did splendid work after the
          1893 crash. 
The other
          son was the great Queenslander and Great Australian, the Rt.
          Hon. Sir S. W. Griffith, P.C., G.C.M.G., and Chief Justice of
          Australia. The Rev. E. Griffith, had a family of daughters
          also, of whom I knew only two, the gracious and charming of
          Australia’s womanhood, and whose philanthropic services in
          Queensland have extended over some 40 years, as girl and
          woman.
The old
          minister has grandchildren and great grandchildren now spread
          throughout the Commonwealth, but one of the grandchildren, who
          is well known to most Brisbane people, is Mr. Griffith Oxley,
          who has succeeded with, and in, the business of accountant
          established by his father. It may be interesting to note that
          Mr. Griffith’s predecessor at the Wharf Street Church, was the
          Rev. George Wight, who was founded of “the reptile
          contemporary” of the “Courier,” a paper called “The Queensland
          Daily Guardian,” which had the support of the pure merino
          element amongst the squatters, for whom the “Courier” was much
          too liberal.
Another
          Congregational minister, whom I well knew, was the Rev.
          William Gray, who had been up in Townsville, a really level
          headed Scot, and a far seeing business man. He laid the
          foundation of the fortunes of the Congregational Church in
          Townsville by a very well conceived land deal.
In Brisbane
          he was not well known outside those to whom he ministered. But
          there was a bright and merry little chap, the Rev. Thomas J.
          Pepper, who was over at South Brisbane, and whom I knew in
          Newcastle, New South Wales. Of course, he was called “Tommy”
          Pepper, and also “Professor” Pepper, for when he came here the
          old :London Polytechnic “Professor” Pepper was prominent with
          his rain making experiment, with the telephone and with weird
          stories of another wonderful instrument called the gramophone.
          Very few of us swallowed the first stories about the
          gramophone. We had read “Dick” Newton’s “Suspended Animation”
          in the “Queenslander,” and were rather inclined to shy at
          scientific novelties. But the Rev. T. J. Pepper was a happy
          little Christian, and if he no longer lives – well, it would
          be pretty safe to say that he is preaching optimism even in
          the Happy Land.
In the
          early 1880s, the principal Baptist Church in Brisbane was in
          Wharf Street, the name being changed in 1890 to the City
          Tabernacle, on Wickham Street. The first minister I heard in
          the Wharf Street Church, was the Rev. Henry Coombs, who was a
          man of spiritual mould, and very delicate. He was always worth
          hearing, and was well loved. His successors I did not know
          until we came to the Rev. William Whale, a shortish and stout
          man, who probably would have been as great a success as a
          Graeco Roman wrestler as he was in wrestling with the evil
          things of the world.
He was a
          warm hearted generous man, and I think the best preacher I
          have heard in Brisbane. It was natural that the little wits of
          the day should associate Whale with the practices of the
          Baptists, and I told him once that a friend of mine said that
          he was going to the Baptists Tabernacle to “hear the Whale
          spouting.”
Mr. Whale
          laughed and said: “A very good thing for your friend to do;
          but I’m sorry you were not with him!”
Now, that
          friend was a sensitive sort of duffer, and when I told him,
          with a great assertion of bravado, that I had passed the joke
          onto the Reverend gentleman, he went straight up and said:
          “I’m the man who made that silly joke which that assessment
          Browne repeated to you” – and he made a very humble apology.
          Mr. Whale was a man to be admired by all – a really straight
          from the shoulder Christian.
Very
          different was that good, quiet man, the Rev. William Poole,
          who in addition to being the Baptist parson – I hope Baptists
          may be parsons – was a leader writer for the “Courier.” Mr.
          Poole was tall, dark, and with a short beard. I did not hear
          him preach, but believe that, like Dr. F. W. Ward, he was a
          better writer than preacher.
Then there
          was the Rev. William Moore of the Milton Church, whom I knew
          well at Indooroopilly. He was a great old pioneer Queenslander
          of the patriarchal type. Three of his sons I knew very well. 
Firs there
          was John Moore, who was with Alfred Shaw and Co., in Queen
          Street, and is now a successful fruit farmer, with “digger”
          sons in Victoria.
Then there
          was “Ned” Moore, who wrote some very interesting reminiscences
          in the “Courier.” A fine horseman was “Ned” Moore, and he put
          in a great many years in the Government service, especially in
          forestry work, and his son Willie, who used to be with the
          “Courier” when a boy, is in the Forestry service, well known
          in connection with timber displays by the Queensland
          Government.
Joseph
          Moore, of Indooroopilly, is another son, and he has been known
          chiefly through his work in local government – a good judge of
          a horse and of cattle as well, and another son is a well known
          medical man in Melbourne.
The pastor
          of the Jirah Baptist Church in Fortitude Valley in my time was
          the Rev. John Kingsford, though I believe his section was
          known as the Particular Baptist. Some of us who knew Mr. Whale
          well used to tell him that Kingsford people were particular,
          while his were not particular; but generally we got a clever
          retort.
Mr.
          Kingsford had been with his brother, Mr. R. AS. Kingsford, who
          was later a member of the Legislative Assembly, in a drapery
          business in Queen Street, just about where Gordon and Gotch
          are. Both of the brothers even in those days were preachers,
          and Richard A. was a very fine speaker. John Kingsford, too,
          was eloquent and rather inclined to the emotional in his
          sermons. Nowadays we would term him temperamental. The second
          Mrs. John Kingsford was formerly a Miss Grimes, a sister of
          George Grimes and Samuel grimes, M.L.A., and a very earnest
          church worker.